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My Main Problem with Agents of SHIELD

9th Jul 2014, 12:00 AM

My Main Problem with Agents of SHIELD
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kidra on 30th Apr 2015, 9:52 AM

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So let me start of by saying that I do enjoy the series of Agents of Shield. I recognize that it has its flaws but overall I think it's a fun series, ad it's always fun to see the different connections that are brought in because of it. However, there's one thing that I think affects the whole Marvel Universe.

The agents are just too good. On the original team you have Melinda May and Grant Ward who are both able to take on 20 other guys or more, and are able to fight off guys that have powers. You may wonder why I think it's a problem. I mean, who doesn't love watching great fight scenes?

The problem is, it cheapens the idea of those superheroes who don't have powers. For example, if you didn't know already, Bobbi is a hero by the name of Mockingbird in the Marvel comics. In the comics she's even a part of some of the offshoot Avengers teams, so it's not like Mockingbird is a lesser hero by any means.

But when she appeared on Agents of Shield, she doesn't impress me that much. I mean, why would you want Bobbi on your team if you could get Agent May instead?

Now you may think that's just not fair, since May is the best of the best. But it's not even just her. You look at Skye and how she's come along with her training, and even without her powers she's able to kick a lot of butt by herself. Coulson is also able to do a lot, especially if you've seen the one-shot called "A Funny thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer".

So my main gripe with this actually has to do with The Avengers. I mean, on The Avengers we have Black Widow and Hawkeye, who are both powerless heroes. So how do you make them seem even better than someone like May or Grant Ward? You can't give them powers, because that takes away from who they are, but you still have to make them fantastic enough for us to believe that they deserve a spot on the team.

We'll see how they handle that in Age of Ultron. We're going to see it tonight so maybe on Monday you'll see me post and say "They handled it perfectly". I'm really looking forward to it and I have confidence in Marvel since they've done so well with everything else.



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Kaze Koichi on 30th Apr 2015, 6:41 PM

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I disagree with you, kidra. My issue is completely backwards: I think the Marvel Universe hurts individual films and shows.

Of course, fans love to see various Marvel cameos in films. And Marvel executives love to add those cameos: it helps to sell toys and promote other films. But there is a big problem here: if you introduce a very powerful villains, why the hero insist on fighting them alone? When Stark was left without his costume in Iron Man 3, why didn't he call Banner? When Rogers & Widow was fighting Hydra, where was Hawkeye? When an army of dark elves appeared at the end of Thor 2, why didn't S.H.I.E.L.D. assembled Avengers?

And the answer is: because there wouldn't be a movie this way. Because these are our heros, and people want to see a story about them. People don't want in Batman movie to see Superman appear, fly really fast, save everything. People are not satisfied if in Spiderman movie Wolwerine take on the big bad. From the storytelling point of view, the hero must be a focus of the movie (the same is with tv show). But from Marvel Universe point of view there is no reason not to call I Win Button each time a serious crisis is started, regardless of who is a "hero of the story."

Marvel Universe may also make someone ask another questions, like if the villains pose a threat to not a single city, not USA, but the whole world, where are other countries' superheroes? Or why doesn't countries use superheros to fight in wars (WW2 doesn't count, current time wars)? But I don't care. This is not why I watch superheroes movies and read comics. So how the plot looks considering other part of Marvel Universe having nothing to do with the story - does not consern me.

Christopher LaHaise on 30th Apr 2015, 7:55 PM

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The thing is, when you're dealing with normal humans, the people can only get so good. And when they're Agents, they're the cream of the crop. I don't expect Bobbi or Hawkeye or Widow to be better than Mae - it isn't about how much butt they kick, it is about them as people - what is at stake for them.

The things Mae faces are more personal than the things Hawkeye and Widow face (though this may change with Age of Ultron), and it's the human story, not the butt-kicking, that is important.

Look at, for example, Person of Interest. It is great fun seeing Reece kick butt. He's damn good at it, but it's the personal confrontations which sell it more than 'hey, watch him clear out a bar like it's nothing again'.

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Richard on 1st May 2015, 1:25 AM

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Too tired for a long post but honestly, I can see what you're talking about now with the nonpowered humans. I kinda feel like they're a little cheapened. As for why individual heroes don't call for help, maybe their problems are on an overlapping time scale so they can't really call for help from people who are in their own situation.

Devlerbat on 1st May 2015, 3:12 AM

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Skye and Coulson ARE super heroes. Coulson was considered by Fury to be a member of the Avengers and since the Avengers movie Coulson was made into a comic character that is now the main character in the current S.H.I.E.L.D. comic series. And Skye...well...you already mentioned her powers so how much of spoilers would it be to explain who her comic book equivalent is?
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